it was with a personal call between obama and carriry. which i think raised eyebrows given the timing of that. i mean, we thought it was much later than that. >> well, in fact, as a result of my calls to follow-up on your story, we had a response from the carry folks who said that private discussions are best kept private in my imprecise overly casual answer about timing confused things. lou many private conversations over a long and bezy period approximate for were, i knew the president was interested in the possibility of my serbs as secretary of state, but he did not formally offer me the job in late september. which also reflects his openness as a person of the senate and someone who has run for president, he is so used to dealing with reports. he gets comfortable, but he is also very quick to respond. >> he was very comfortable in the interview. i mean, the question that spurred his answer was just sort of when did you hear, how did you find out that you had been offered the job, and that -- his response was that the president called